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| @johnwheatley I would upgrade if the price is not that High | ||
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| @DanSmigrod I think that the laser feature helping dramatically the outdoor scanning compared to the ugly Pro2-Cortex experience is the selling point to me. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Skeeter I don't get the logic in the first part of your statement. The fact that you bought old technology from them in the past and the fact that technology improves and things get easier and cheaper for the masses is no reason to give you a discount. That's a good argument for selling you new stuff all the time at full retail. On the other hand, the fact that you are proven to produce hosting income for them in the past, and if they think that your past performance will translate into you producing significant new hosting revenue for them, then that could justify a discount for you. On the other hand, why give a discount to you if you will continue to produce income for them with your outdated technology. They don't need to give you anything; you already produce for them. They may think: "If he wants to upgrade to make his life easier with quicker scans and his clients life better with better quality, then let him make the investment. But if he wants to keep producing hosting revenue for us using his old slow technology, that's fine with us, too. However, we want to sell new devices so that we get economies of scale, so we better price this at the rate that maximizes overall profit for us, and then sell it to everyone at that optimized price." |
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| WGAN-TV | IFTI/PROvision Solutions: Ordering Matterport Digital Twins Globally | Guest: IFTI/PROvision Solutions Vice President of Business Development James Duffy | Episode: 156 | Thursday, 11 August 2022 | IFTI/PROvision Solutions Quote: Originally Posted by johnwheatley @johnwheatley Respectively, Matterport Service Providers that use a Matterport Pro2 3D Camera and are considering buying a Matterport Pro3 LiDAR Scanner/Camera need to shift thinking (particularly because of the price tag). For example, instead of focusing on the low margin residential real estate listings, focus on commercial clients where the LiDAR 'matters' ... 1. As-Builts 2. Weekly or Monthly Construction Documentation (Commercial Spaces) 3. Facilities Management 4. Large spaces 5. Outdoor spaces (including elevations) No sense upgrading to a Matterport Pro3 LiDAR Camera/Scanner unless MSPS focus on larger, better paying jobs. Prior to today's news leak by a Matterport Reseller, I interviewed IFTI/PROvision Solutions Vice President of Business Development James Duffy about Matterport scanning at scale around the globe. Listen to how many times we say "Leica BLK360 Scanner/Camera" and the uses cases for a "Leica BLK/360 Scanner/Camera + Matterport versus Matterport Pro2 3D Camera + Matterport. Now imagine that instead of investing in a $20,000 Leica BLK360 Scanner/Camera to use with Matterport, you buy the Matterport Pro3 LiDAR Camera/Scanner (that I estimate will cost $7,500). If you are among the first to buy a Matterport Pro3 LiDAR Camera/Scanner, I could imagine that IFTI/PROVision Solutions will have business for you (and likely Matterport Capture Services On Demand.) For clarification, buying a Matterport Pro3 LiDAR Scanner/Camera is not about marginal, incremental shifts in residential estate state scanning; it's about new opportunities for Matterport scanning that pay much more. A number of Matterport Service Providers have already reached out to me about shifting away from Matterport scanning of residential real estate. (That exit is likely going to be faster with Matterport's recent acquisition of VHT Studios: 1. Matterport Acquires VHT Studios to Accelerate Adoption of Digital Twins 2. Matterport Acquisition of VHT Studios: 9 Reasons This is a Bad Strategy 3. It may not be easy to compete with VHT & Matterport As Apple would say, think different. Best, Dan |
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Quote:Originally Posted by RealtyMediaMx Yes. Different as Night and Day. (Is that a visual pun?) Cortex is a workaround for a known problem. Matterport Pro3 LiDAR Scanner/Camera is a solution that solves a problem head on: scanning outdoors. Dan |
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Quote:Originally Posted by johnwheatley As I shared above, it's in Matterport's best interest to get the Matterport Pro3 LiDAR Scanner/Camera in the field as quickly and as efficiently as possible. It's not about making money on the hardware. The Matterport Pro3 LiDAR Scanner/Camera will Matterport succeed faster. Dan |
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You missed the small print release date 2026 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ron0987 My guess is that the Matterport official announcement via Globe Newswire - a media release - will be: ✓ Monday, 15 August 2022 at 7 am ET. I could also imagine that Matterport is coordinating with select media - under embargo - for their stories on or after the official media release. Embargoes typical end when someone already announces the news! Dan |
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| @johnwheatley BTW ... Even if you do not buy a Matterport Pro3 LiDAR Scanner/Camera, the Pro3 should raise all boats by creating more scanning opportunities which leads to more scanning opportunities. Best, Dan |
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| You will need a Pro3 to stay competitive. Pro3 Lidar dollhouses and 3D structure will be much better than Pro2 and I also expect the image quality to improve significantly (hopefully with a 1 inch sensor). |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MeshImages @MeshImages So "Table-stakes" may be $7,500 (my estimate) for a Matterport Pro3 LiDAR Scanner/Camera versus $3,395 for a Matterport Pro2 3D Camera for a Matterport Service Provider. Best, Dan |
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| I do believe that the Pro1's were $4,995 when I was starting out. I still have 2 Pro1's & 2 Pro2's | ||
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| @lilnitsch yes that is what I paid for the original camera also. @MeshImages I don’t know if you will need to buy the new camera to stay competitive, I did not see a big increase in orders just because we got the Pro2 when it was first released. I can see if you provide a service to the AEC market they may require it, or may bring in new business. But if I have learned one thing I bought my first camera when it was first released. I bought the Pro2 when it was first released and in both cases I paid a premium price and in both cases the prices dropped. Unless there is a significant discount for current owners with a designated time frame I think I will just wait. |
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| Any leaked info about Pro 3 image quality? | ||
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| From what I gather, using a Leica BLK increases the time to scan an entire space 2-3 times longer. For me that's going to be a huge consideration. Maybe somebody who actually uses it can give me an accurate comparison time in field compared to a Pro 2 3D. But with a BLK you could definitely attract higher quality AEC clients and perhaps much bigger jobs. | ||
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| Reality Capture Experts also post the camera release | ||
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| @Shakoure Nothing yet, but I bet It will be out soon | ||
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| @RealtyMediaMx I'd love a 30 day test drive, with a Pro2 trade in program. Looks like a $5,000-$7,000 camera. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by ron0987 This time the “technology-jump” will be much higher than from Pro1 to Pro2. 20 Meter Lidar range and 4x scan speed in large open spaces will make a huge difference for many job proposals - especially in AEC. And if you want to scan for the Metaverse, you need a Pro3 (could be my marketing claim  ). |
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| Depends on a price. $7500 is probably too much especially if you have a BLK360 which is just more than Matterport. I will see. P.S. And an idea to do things faster is not really appealing to me as most of the time I am paid for my time. |
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| @RealtyMediaMx Matterport Pro3 LiDAR Camera/Scanner official Matterport announcement? Not yet! No Matterport media release distributed via Globe Newswire, as of 9 am ET Friday, 12 August 2022. I still anticipate that Matterport will distribute a Matterport Pro3 LiDAR Camera/Scanner media release the morning of Monday, August 15, 2022. Thanks again for posting the Pro3 likely accidental leak. That's bold textBIG news. Best, Dan |
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| @Wingman BLK is good for 3D content but not for image quality, this could be the best of both worlds | ||
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| When talking about photo quality I am not sure what to think when @Jump showed us that the Pro2 quality that was provided by MP could be better. Either MP was not processing the photos to give us the highest quality that could be achieved or they easily achieve a higher quality with a few tweaks. I was able to compare the quality @Jump provided and was impressed. So again it would be nice if MP would provide the highest quality photos or they would allow an aftermarket provider extract the best that can be achieved. So when people talk about image quality it will be hard to compare the possible image quality when you know the Pro2 image is not as good as it could be. |
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| @ron0987 Matterport put an end to this as folks were exporting the hi-res panos to rebuild on other platforms. Once again I believe if a customer has paid for the service both processing and hosting that at a minimum they should be allowed access to the imagery. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by lilnitsch It is likely that Matterport would sell more cameras and get more Matterport cloud hosting accounts if it enabled photographers to shoot once and built out / publish to other platforms (by enabling the highest quality image export that is possible). Dan |
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| @DanSmigrod does Matterport even look at this forum? We give them billions of dollars of free grassroots marketing intelligence. I guess we can download the regular 360 scans and that. Bottom line is the average consumer can't tell the difference. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GETMYVR  |
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| @lilnitsch I do agree that once you have paid for a product you should own all the rights to the complete data. But as a whole we have been forced to except the product as delivered. @DanSmigrod I also agree if people knew they were getting the best camera, support and data or end product MP may sell more. Plus, they would not have to worry that people as a whole would not try and modify the data and turn it into something better if it was the best product released. For me it is hard to continue to buy into the product again. Matterport has not been the head turner in the Seattle area I would hope it would be. If it does have a comeback as a key product, why the Pro2 would not serve the purpose. Along with the overall lack of support from MP, I have to admit things have gotten a little better. But I will voice the same complaint I have made for years there is no forum supported by Matterport where we get an idea where the company is going. Recently we have seen the Android APP release with the ability to import 360 Panos from any camera. We saw the release of the Smartphone rotator, but I see there is no clear direction on what the focus is on and now maybe the release of the Pro3. What is the direction of MP so as a consumer I know the direction they are focused on. So, I know which product to get behind to benefit my business. Again, to purchase a third camera blindly with the hope it is the best is hard to do, especially when I see so many other products pushing the limits and that if I wait MP will drastically drop the price on the camera itself from the initial release price. |
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| @GETMYVR Yes. Matterport employees read the WGAN Forum.  Dan |
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| Hi All, Nothing official from Matterport (yet). Since the link was on Thursday of last week, perhaps the Matterport Reseller jumped the gun by a week. If so, that would mean an announcement by Matterport this Thursday, 18 August 2022. Dan 1:54 pm ET Tuesday, 16 August 2022 |
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