Virtually Stage the Same Room from Two Different Views with Same Furniture

DanSmigrod

8

2 monthsDanSmigrod (31749): @lilnitsch Ha! Dan

WGAN Standard Members: Received Two Free Premium Videos from One Matterport

DanSmigrod

1

8 monthsDanSmigrod (31749): 3DtoVideo.com is a WGAN Marketing Partner --- https://e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/5308443cc1160961bc7f0a543116550f.png www.JoinStandard.com | www.3DtoVideo.com https://e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/841d9402b78f2b691aacfdd92ccc8321.png www.3DtoVideo.com https://youtu.be/-Ck-6TmZCgI?si=m-msYwbdEk9eAUS4Video: Premium Conversion - Matterport...

How to Receive the Free Use of Virtual Staging AI Standard Plan

DanSmigrod

2

11 monthsDanSmigrod (31749): Video: Virtual Staging via AI | Before and After | Video courtesy of We Get Around Network Vimeo Channel | 30 May 2024 ✓ www.WGAN.INFO/VSI (try for free / no credit card required)

WGAN Standard Members Received Free Use of REMARK Instant Booking Service

DanSmigrod

1

2 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): https://e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/2b673c02e18c83e2e230925fd5879a51.png REMARK Traffic-Aware Instant Booking Service https://e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/cd361600399cab5332a29b94cccc30ab.png www.JoinStandard.com WGAN-TV | Introduction to www.REMARK.re Traffic-Aware Instant Booking Service for Real Estate Photographers | Guest: Remark Founder...

8 Reasons to Deliver Tours/Photos via Show & Tour + First 30 Days Free

DanSmigrod

1

3 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): WGAN 3rd Party Service Provider --- https://e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/1d7bd2ca3bc8bf7ab567531a5b2ae7a5.png WGAN.INFO/SHOWANDTOUR [showtour]https://kc.tours/14105stearnsst/player[/showtour]Example: Matterport Tour within a Show & Tour Player | Tour courtesy of Show & Tour (@sherpa_media) 8 Reasons to Deliver Tours/Photos via Show & Tour + First 30 Days Free Coupon Code: ...

Free Matterport Axis + Tripod w/ WGAN Standard Membership (1 Year Pre-Paid)

DanSmigrod

4

3 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): Hi All, ✓ Matterport Axis Smartphone Rotator Now Available for Purchase Dan

Free! InVideo Business Plan for WGAN Standard Members | Real Estate Videos

DanSmigrod

2

3 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): https://youtu.be/QOl24DONw9oVideo: Top 10 REAL ESTATE TEMPLATES that will get you more LEADS in 2022! | Video courtesy of InVideo Templates and Tips YouTube Channel | 14 February 2022

Free use of PocketBuildings Professional for WGAN Standard/Premium Members

DanSmigrod

3

4 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): https://e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/dcbcfc890c7af18dc2fc5be77f604758.png PocketBuildings

Free Use of MPEmbed Premium Basic Plan - An Overlay for Matterport Showcase

DanSmigrod

13

4 yearsMetroplex360 (9436): We are always adding new features and working on our road map 😁. One of the things that the team spends the most time on is customer support and making sure that each feature works across all platforms and all browsers seamlessly. We've been really focusing on making sure that we get features right rather than just releasing them half baked and I'm really excited to share in the excitement with the team as we move forward to launching...

Free! 12 Months Use of Momenzo App to Shoot/Edit/Share Real Estate Videos

DanSmigrod

7

4 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): WGAN-TV Live at 5: Introduction to Momenzo for Real Estate Agents and Real Estate Photographers with Momenzo Co-Founder Guillaume Taieb | Friday, 12 February 2021. https://e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/c30b3ff318d3f2af5834ad1324551e0c.png https://e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/2a63b2f0f597b69a03fe0b78d37a3deb.png Momenzo Real Estate Video App for for...

WGAN Standard Member ROI Calculator

DanSmigrod

1

4 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): https://e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/1297fa8db2f51001c0ce0656022330e6.pngScreen Grab: We Get Around Network Standard Membership Return On Investment (ROI) Calculator Shout-Out Video: New York-based 3D VUZ Owner and Chief Photographer Howard Witz (@3DVuz) on WGAN Standard Membership | 4 February 2019 Hi All, ✓ We Get Around Network Standard Membership Return On Investment (ROI)...

How to save $60 on 3DVista Virtual Tour Pro Software

DanSmigrod

5

4 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): Hi All, Moving to the top in light of the recent 3DVista Virtual Tour Pro Software discussion. Dan

InsideMaps 3D Tour Displayed within WP3D Models WordPress Plugin

DanSmigrod

3

4 yearsInsideMaps_Gabe (19): Hi, Yes, we are working on it. Image quality is very important to us and we are doing a lot to make improvements. As we have done with other iPhone models, it takes a few iterations to work through a variety of approaches to improve the overall quality, but we'll get there. And soon.

Free Use: Show & Tour Starter Membership for WGAN Standard/Premium Members

DanSmigrod

4

4 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): https://e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/d130a3e338c179d3d961ab40afae3277.jpgWGAN Standard or Premium Member? Receive the free use of Show & Tour Starter Membership using this WGAN Order Form for Show & Tour Starter Membership Plan. For the password, Private Message @DanSmigrod

Asteroom Pay Per Tour Bundle: 1st Free for WGAN Standard & Premium Members

DanSmigrod

5

5 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): Hi All, The price of the Asteroom Pay Per Tour Bundle for WGAN Forum Members decreased to $50 from $60, effective today (Thursday, 24 September 2020, per @EricTsai Plus, as Eric writes (above), the Asteroom Pay Per Tour Bundle now also includes 2D Floor Plans. Free for WGAN Standard and Premium Members ✓ 1st Asteroom Pay Per Tour Bundle. Please use this WGAN Form. Private Message me for the password. Best, Dan P.S. For a WGAN...

9 Reasons to Join as a WGAN Standard Member (Succeed Faster)

DanSmigrod

2

5 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): Hi All, Since my post (above), we also added to WGAN Standard and Premium Membership benefits: (I added these two to the above list.) 8. Free use of Asteroom Professional Subscription Plan 9. 1st Free! Asteroom Pay Per Tour Bundle Best, Dan

WGAN-TV Live at 5: Deep-Dive Demo of Asteroom Desktop Editor Features

DanSmigrod

5

5 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): WGAN-TV Live at 5 | Deep-Dive Demo of Asteroom Desktop Editor Features with Asteroom Co-Founder and CEO @EricTsai | Thursday, 10 September 2020

Order Asteroom Interactive 2D Floor Plan - or Use Other - in Asteroom Tour

DanSmigrod

2

5 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): https://e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/32de441be1532810285a1b108831ff70.png https://e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/5e3ba47745a6d031348b15a267f53c8a.png https://e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/73bc8281058f18fd6e6dbe9333a9e615.pngScreen Grab of eBlast Received from Asteroom --- Asteroom Floor Plans

Three Asteroom Virtual Tour Special Offers for the WGAN Community

DanSmigrod

1

5 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): WGAN Standard Membership Benefit of the Week --- [asteroom]https://www.asteroom.com/pviewer?token=8jPYCKCCHU_HxlXZZquVCw&hideleadgen=0&autorotation=1&defaultviewdollhouse=1&showdollhousehotspot=1[/asteroom] Asteroom Virtual Tour by We Get Around Atlanta Chief Photographer Dan Smigrod | Virtual Staging by Asteroom | Shot with Labpano Pilot One 360 Camera | {See Before Virtual Staging] Hi All, Three great WGAN...

WGAN Standard/Premium Members: Free Asteroom Professional Subscription Plan

DanSmigrod

2

5 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): Hi All, Not a WGAN Standard or Premium Member? WGAN Forum Members receive this Member benefit: ✓ Asteroom Pay Per Tour Bundle for WGAN Forum Members-No Monthly Subscription Dan

Looking for a platform where include 360 panos on a Aerial picture

MarcelloM

9

5 yearsJuMP (2031): @Wingman Look at this: https://static.matterport.com/showcase-sdk/examples/current/vs-app/index.html We believe there will be multiple 3rd party vendors can provide the better result with Matterport SDK bundle soon.

Free! Butter Smooth Video from your Matterport (Free Instagram Version too)

DanSmigrod

3

5 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): https://youtu.be/NnnSCG2hemsWGAN-TV MatterVids: Matterport 3D Tour to HD Video Service with MatterVids Founder Chris Fraser | 18 June 2020 Hi Chris Fraser @MatterVids Thank you for being my guest on WGAN-TV Live at 5 Thursday (18 June 2020) to give the WGAN Community a deep-dive into MatterVids: buttery smooth HD video from Matterport digital twins using the Highlight Reel to create them. For under $20 each - and under $12 each in quantity...

WGAN Referred 416,241 SQ FT in Matterport Spaces Week of 11 Nov 2019

DanSmigrod

1

5 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): WGAN Standard Membership Benefit of the Week --- Hi All, Whew! What a week! WGAN referred 416,241 SQ FT of Matterport 3D Tours to WGAN Basic, Standard and Premium Members this week! (11 November 2019). These are qualified leads where WGAN made the love connection to the WGAN Basic, Standard or Premium Members via email. Not included in this count are any leads that WGAN Basic, Standard and Premium Members received from the ...

Virtual Tour Pro Free When Pre-Pay 1st 6 Months of WGAN Standard Membership

DanSmigrod

1

5 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): WGAN Standard Membership Benefit of the Week --- Virtual Tour Pro: Available Now! | Video courtesy of Ben Claremont Vimeo Channel (29 October 2019) Hi All, Receive - FREE - Virtual Tour Pro Course by Ben Claremont when you pre-paid for the first six months of WGAN Standard Membership. Already a WGAN-Standard Member? Private Message me that you would like to pre-pay the next six months of WGAN Standard Membership to receive -...

How to receive the free use of a Drone Marketing Video with Your Logo

DanSmigrod

8

6 yearsrzphotoman (1837): Thanks for creating these for us. I had the other one pinned to the top of the feed for the last few months. I just switched to this one the other day. Another great benefit to the membership.

It's WGAN's 5th Birthday; you get the gift: 1 Free 2D Schematic Floor Plan

DanSmigrod

2

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): Hi All, Reminder. WGAN Forum turns 5 on Monday, 19 August 2019 and you get the gift! Please see details above. Dan

2019 WGAN Buy One Get One (BOGO) Free Program

DanSmigrod

4

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): Hello WGAN Standard and Premium Members, Are you taking advantage of this Membership benefit? I just had a WGAN Standard Member submit his MP2FP.com invoice to be reimbursed for $50 via PayPay. Best, Dan

Borrow a Nodalview 360º Kit from the WGAN 360 Camera Loaner Program

DanSmigrod

9

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): Hi All, If you would like to borrow a Nodalview Kit via the WGAN 360º Camera Loaner Program, please complete the WGAN 360º Camera Loaner Program Request Form. The password is in your Welcome Onboard Letter or Private Message me with the subject line: WGAN 360 Camera Loaner Program Password WGAN Basic, Standard and Premium Members are eligible to borrow a Nodalview Kit from the WGAN 360º Camera Loaner Program. Much thanks to ...

Videos: Insta360 One X 360º Camera Reviews and Tutorials

DanSmigrod

4

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): https://youtu.be/0Ys8JM2a50sVideo: Insta360 One X: Is it REALLY the Best 360 Camera For YOU? (2019 Review Part 2)| Video courtesy of 360Rumors YouTube Channel (11 July 2019)

How to receive free WP3D Models Installation, Configuration and Training

DanSmigrod

17

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): @June GREAT! Hi All, Reminder, if you are just starting out with Matterport, WordPress and WP3D Models, this WGAN discussion is for you. Best, Dan

Standard Members: Free Use of Custom Drone Video When You Pass FAA Part 107

DanSmigrod

4

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): WGAN Member Anthony Carter (@ Convrts) with ConVRts in Liverpool, Merseyside UK

How to add Matterport 3D Tours & videos to the Matterport Highlights Reel

DanSmigrod

2

6 yearsJune (411): Yay Chris! You rock!

ThreeSixty Tours + Ricoh Theta V or Insta360 One X

DanSmigrod

1

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): [threesixty]https://my.threesixty.tours/app/v/7o0227/yv55pg[/threesixty]ThreeSixxty Tour courtesy of ThreeSixty Tours WGAN-TV Live at 5: ThreeSixty.Tours for Newbies: Demo and Discuss with WP3D Models Developer Ross Peterson ThreeSixty Tours + Ricoh Theta V or Insta360 One X Hi All, Reminder that if you bought a Ricoh Theta V or Insta360 One X to use with Matterport, you can also use your 360º 1-click camera with ThreeSixty...

How to receive the free use of an AEC Marketing Video with Logo/Website

DanSmigrod

2

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): Video E01: Lugano, Switzerland-based dealtech CEO Luca De Alberti is a long-time WGAN Standard Member. Video H01: Lugano, Switzerland-based dealtech CEO Luca De Alberti is a long-time WGAN Standard Member. Luca @dealtech thank you for being a long-time WGAN Standard Member. Best, Dan

Save $50 (WGAN Rebate) on one WGAN Premium Member Service

DanSmigrod

1

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): WGAN Forum Membership Benefit of Week #4 --- We Get Around Network (WGAN) | Save $50 (WGAN Rebate) on one WGAN Premium Member Service Hi All, Receive one (1) up to $50 WGAN Rebate on your choice of any one WGAN Premium Member Service, if you are a WGAN Standard and Premium Member. May only be redeemed once. May not be combined with any other WGAN Special Offer or WGAN Rebate. Participating WGAN Premium Members: (Subject to...

How to receive the free use of 20 Facebook Banners Videos with Your Logo

DanSmigrod

1

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): ( J01) | WGAN Facebook Banner Video Pack (J01) | 20 Videos (Teasers) | Logo Only -- Hi All, You can receive one free bonus video for every year that you have been a WGAN Basic, Standard or Premium Member. And, some of these 11 WGAN Bonus Thank You Videos are delivered as multi-packs of videos. For example, when you order the Facebook Banner Video Pack (J01) – with your logo – you actually receive a bundle of 20 different...

Free! 100 Starbucks Double Chocolaty Chip Crème Frappuccino® Blended Crème

DanSmigrod

3

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): Hi All, You do not need to be a WGAN Member to complete this survey (and receive the $5 Starbucks eGift card. Best, Dan

Find a Matterport Pro Profile Tune-Up Checklist: 10 Things to Check

DanSmigrod

1

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): We Get Around Network Standard Membership Benefit of the Week --- https://e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/54e6ded503ce996d373f2c58c40f9f53.pngScreen Grab. We Get Around Network Find a Matterport Pro Map. https://e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/22783f18eb11996e2e86f3a84846b788.pngScreen Grab: Uh-Oh! Yikes! OMG! Dang! If you disable a Matterport 3D...

PFRE: 'What Size Photos Should Real Estate Photographers Deliver?'

DanSmigrod

2

6 yearsimmersivespaces (1229): It really depends on their usage. For us, we contacted the local MLS providers and got their maximum recommended size. If images are uploaded to the MLS at the recommended size, no further processing is done on the server side, so the image quality is great. If they are too large, they get compressed and sharpened weird and look terrible. In the end, we provide several sizes for our clients: MLS (Varies in size depending on the client's MLS...

3D VUZ Chief Photographer Howard Witz gives WGAN "Shout-Out"

DanSmigrod

1

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): https://youtu.be/It3rjV4EAZYNew York-based 3D VUZ Owner and Chief Photographer Howard Witz (@3DVuz) on WGAN Standard Membership Hi All, Brooklyn, NY-based 3D VUZ Owner and Chief Photographer Howard Witz (@3dVuz) did this "shout-out" video about his three years of WGAN Standard Membership over dinner while we both were attending Inman Connect NY 2019 last week (28 Jan - 1 Feb 2019). Tip: When your Clients are speaking...

Choose up to 15 of 39 Matterport 3D Tour Examples for Your Website

DanSmigrod

5

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): @3dVuz Should I send any offenders to Brooklyn? :cool: Dan

Want to use WP3D Models WordPress Plugin, but do not have WordPress (yet)?

DanSmigrod

2

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): I received an email today related to this topic. So, I thought I would move it to the top of the WGAN Forum. Best, Dan

WGAN Standard Membership Benefit of the Week #2: ThreeSixty Tours

DanSmigrod

1

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): Hi All, WGAN Standard Members receive 40+ Membership Benefits - Compare WGAN Membership Plans - including ThreeSixty Tours: seamlessly integrates with its sister platform, WP3D Models WordPress Plugin. ✓ ThreeSixty Tours All WGAN Forum discussions tagged: ThreeSixty Tours Join WGAN Standard Membership --- ...

Starting a Matterport Service Provider Business? How WGAN Can Help You ...

DanSmigrod

2

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): Hi All, We update the We Get Around Network Standard Membership Return On Investment (ROI) Calculator to include: ✓ free use of MPEmbed Premium Basic Plan ✓ free Installation, Configuration and Training for WP3D Models WordPress Plugin ✓ borrow a 360º 1-Click Camera, rotator or Tripod Head from the WGAN 360º Camera Loaner Program Happy New Year, Dan

WGAN Standard Member Benefit of Week #1: free use of WP3D Model WP Plugin

DanSmigrod

1

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): Hi All, WGAN Standard Members receive 40+ Membership Benefits - Compare WGAN Membership Plans - including WP3D Models WordPress Plugin: the essential tool for Matterport Service Providers (and other 3D/360º Platforms that offer iFrame code such as Cupix, Inside Maps, iGuide, Nodalview, ThreeSixty Tours and Panoskin): ✓ WP3D Models Wordpress Plugin All WGAN Forum discussions tagged: WP3D Models --- WGAN-TV Live...

List: WGAN Black Friday Offers Good through Friday, 30 November 2018

DanSmigrod

4

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): Happy Cyber Monday. These WGAN offers are good through midnight EDT Friday, 30 November 2018. Thanks, Dan

Free :60 Spokesperson Video for your Matterport Service Provider Biz

DanSmigrod

1

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): Video: Talent: Bob | Example Background, B-Roll, Logo, On Screen Graphic, Editing https://e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/6f4ee256a9acbafe73a24213006713a5.png(From left to right) Choice of three look-you-in-the-eye, sincere, intelligent talent to help convert site visitors into prospects: Bob, Ashley and Cristal Hi All, Black Friday arrives early this year! You can receive a free,...

WGAN Offer: Free WP3D Models Installation, Configuration and Training

DanSmigrod

3

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): @GlennTremain Thanks Glenn. I think so :cool: Dan

How to save up to $348 on Matterport Processing Fees in 2019

DanSmigrod

1

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): https://e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/f51a30c85a3cec347d0cd2783c17964e.pngScreen Grab: You can buy either Matterport Camera here. Hi All, Black Friday arrived early! If you have a Matterport Pro2 Lite 3D Camera, you pay $29 per Matterport 3D Tour for processing. Do once a month and that's $348 in 2019. If you have a Matterport Pro1 or Matterport Pro2 3D Camera, you pay $19 per...

Succeed Faster and Receive a Free $100 WGAN Holiday Gift Card

DanSmigrod

1

6 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): Hi All, Succeed Faster as a Matterport Service Provider and receive a $100 WGAN Holiday Gift Card. Pre-pay the first 12 months of We Get Around Network Standard Membership by Friday, 30 November 2018 and receive a $100 WGAN Holiday Gift Card that can be used to pay for services from these WGAN 3rd Party Service Provider Members: ✓ 3DVUE ✓ Archilogic ✓ Blue-Sketch ✓ CUPIX ✓ DaiWoKan.com ✓ GeoCV ✓ ...

How to keep your WIX/Squarespace but have WP3D Models

GlennTremain

3

6 yearsGlennTremain (2983): @3dvuz your check is in the mail

Free Use of RELA Photographer (White-Label) for 6 Months / 6 Properties

DanSmigrod

1

7 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): https://e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/9c8164cff9d78fcfb5d86ccc1569b403.png WGAN-TV Video: Part 1 of 2 | Rela Single Property Websites and 1-Click Flyers Platform with RELA CEO Mike Land WGAN-TV Video: Part 2 of 2 | Rela Single Property Websites and 1-Click Flyers Platform with RELA CEO Mike Land (RELA Brochure Tool demo and discussion at 31:05 into the video) Hi All, Special Offer...

ThreeSixty tours: 360º Hosting Platform

DanSmigrod

2

7 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): Hi All, Reminder Hi All, Case Study: How to Make Money with ThreeSixty Tours while Making Your Competition Irrelevant is the topic for WGAN-TV Live at 5 (5 pm EDT | GMT -4) today Wednesday, 17 October 2018. My guest is Matterport Service Provider Ross Zanzucchi (@rzphotoman) with Grays Lake, IL based 3D Rooms Scapes. What Ross is doing will blow you away. Ross shares freely and the info that Ross will share is invaluable. Best, Dan

Starting a Matterport Service Provider Biz? Free Use of Digital Assets

DanSmigrod

1

7 yearsDanSmigrod (31749): https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=13Fduby7KGq&brand=0Matterport 3D Tour | Apartment Example 2 https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=KgAJYxXXiH4&brand=0Matterport 3D Tour | Classroom Example 2 https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=YxSbdhyaofR&brand=0Matterport 3D Tour | Office Example 2 https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=r5TPofcmWs9&brand=0Matterport 3D Tour | Residential Real Estate Example 6 ...